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Aug. 11th, 2006

If I sold CNAM dips at $0.05 per dip, would anyone here be interested?

No setup charge, no minimums (there is a prepay for under $5/mo in traffic, but that is a practical necessity).


You would not be permitted to use them for data mining purposes, or anything like that, just for looking up the names of numbers that are calling you. Where they called you (say, your cell phone for example) is none of my business, I don't care. I just can't resell this to people who are going to do something like look up:
248-379-0001
248-379-0002
...
and shit like that. It's gotta be real, or at least look like it.


This would be directly through Timmins Technologies, not my current employer (and I'm not reselling their database access either, this is different, but it's real CNAM). You need not be a CLEC, and my only request is that if you do less than $5/mo in volume, you prepay by that amount so I don't have to ding you for $0.27 every month or whatever.

Any takers? This is incredibly useful if you pay for caller ID number only, and are sending to an asterisk box, or are taking in calls from voicepulse, et al and want CNAM. (Or if you have a carrier trunk from a telco but don't have SS7 database access). For asterisk, I will provide an AGI script to do everything for you on request. Just call the AGI script and it takes care of everything.

The price isn't a great deal if you're a CLEC or something, I'll admit that up front. It's what I can sell it for at the moment. If I can get over 5k dips a month, the price drops.

But for affordable dips anyone can do, this is the ticket.

Fine print:

You can't cache. I won't be caching either. You don't have to look up every number you get, but you can't cache the data. Note that I won't know the difference initially, but I'll never believe that every number ever only calls you once. :)
I'm not just profeteering on that, it's customer proprietary network information and it's not legal to cache it.

If CNAM fails or the number is not found, you get city/state. I will get billed on a "Not Found", and so will you. I'm just committing to return something more useful than "Unavailable". :)

I won't bill for garbage ANI. 000000000 and similar crap will simply be returned as "Invalid" and not billed.

To insure compliance, allow for proper billing, and detect abuse, I will be logging all query attempts. I will not resell your query information, however.

Dips will be returned over HTTP, if you are interested in other interfaces, such as Broadsoft SIP or something like that, let me know, I can make it happen.

Response times will be under 5 seconds.

Comments

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santiagon
Aug. 11th, 2006 03:58 pm (UTC)
Sounds like something I'd use. I'd be interested in it.
noweb4u
Aug. 11th, 2006 04:18 pm (UTC)
excellent. How do you anticipate you'd be querying it?
santiagon
Aug. 11th, 2006 04:29 pm (UTC)
Probably one-by-one in a web form.

If one would just fill in a form with NPANXXXXXX, then submit it, and it returns a page back with the CNAM information.

Perhaps an idea is to pull some information from Telcodata to augment the CNAM.

For example, something like this:
610-555-0123
CNAM: SANTIAGO NICHOL
Owner: Verizon Pennsylvania, Inc.
Ratecenter: Bethlehem, PA
CLLI: BHLHPABEDS0

And although it would be affected by LNP operations, it still would be kinda nifty to see.

Just thoughts.
noweb4u
Aug. 11th, 2006 04:31 pm (UTC)
I was already planning on having a web and wap interface for your cell phone so you could look up calls you get on your cell or look up numbers on your bill ex-post-facto. Does that suit your fancy?
santiagon
Aug. 11th, 2006 04:33 pm (UTC)
That sounds kinda sexy. I'd be game for it.
niteshad
Aug. 11th, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC)
Would this work on calls that block caller ID?

BTW Paul, when you're marketing something, phrases like "the great unwashed" or "the masses" are offensive to some people. Get down off of the camel of elitism and we can talk business. :)
noweb4u
Aug. 11th, 2006 04:53 pm (UTC)
if you have ever tried to get CNAM access, you would get the sort of reference I was making. It's damn near impossible if you're not a phone company, and many companies that do it charge a lot or require an incredible minimum, or have large setup fees to discourage normal people from doing it. Intentional bars to entry exist all around telecom.


And there's nothing omniscent about this product. It's access to the caller ID with name database. You have to have the number in order to look up in it. :)
niteshad
Aug. 11th, 2006 05:37 pm (UTC)
OK, now I understand, you're not the one wishing to barter from atop the camel, the rest of the telcos are. Is this a limited time only service, or will you be providing it for awhile? If I was working, I'd bite right now, but I need to contain my costs for the time being.
noweb4u
Aug. 11th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC)
I'll be providing it for a while if I can get enough users to justify it.


I make a few hundred queries a month. I pay for a block of 1,000, so I want to get what I pay for by proxying requests for others and billing them.

There is no ongoing cost to do it, it's just 5 cents per number looked up.
thegreatdoogie
Aug. 11th, 2006 10:15 pm (UTC)
you know my level of knowledge on these subjects, so keep in mind......

will this provide me with info better that what i'd get off sites like reversephonedirectory.com? if so, i'm in.
noweb4u
Aug. 11th, 2006 11:00 pm (UTC)
It's the database caller ID with name is in.

it maps "2483797826" to "TIMMINS, PAUL" and "2485910311" to "TIMMINS TECH"

It contains caller ID with name data where directory data does not exist, such as some cell phones and unlisted numbers. It does not contain full directory data such as street address, et al.

There are restrictions that prevent you from legally using it to look up numbers that have not called you. I cannot enforce them through technological means, however.
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santiagon
Aug. 12th, 2006 04:53 am (UTC)
Just speaking from experience and what little I remember about NexSprint, Nextel doesn't provide CNAM or much of anything other than talk capability on its direct connect network.

And sadly, due to those privacy hippies, they won't give you trace information at customer care unless you're a court.
noweb4u
Aug. 12th, 2006 04:44 pm (UTC)
Due to those hippies at the FCC, I can't give you trace information either. Damn federal laws.
santiagon
Aug. 12th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
*starts singing*

Fuck you very much, the FCC.
noweb4u
Aug. 12th, 2006 10:13 pm (UTC)
I love the FCC. They keep people from using call traces to bypass *67 needlessly.


Of course, I have full ANI on my normal lines anyway. muhahaa.
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